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		<title>By: ancient</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmap.com/archives/philips-sonicare-toothbrush-rubbish-product/comment-page-1/#comment-9554</link>
		<dc:creator>ancient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theyre recomendation of putting the toothbrush on the charger everytime would in fact further reduce the charge time of a nicad battery as you correctly state. Nimh&#039;s would not be so harmed by constant charging, and is an example of how people on helplines can feed misinformation, these people are not experts, theyre just your average joe paid a meagre salary for not much but following a script. Nicads need deep cycling to prevent them degrading, yet at the same time not many batterys benefit from being drained to an absolutely empty state. Also all batterys as they are chemical technology will degrade over time, as such access to the batterys is vital from an environmental perspective.

you were a lucky case, im guessing youre in the US ? the truth is this, one good example of customer service does not great customer service make, the majority of people here received bad service, and a bad product. And the issue is not just about whether you had your toothbrush replaced, which is of purely personal benefit to yourself. Where do you think your old toothbrush went ? Landfill, I doubt philips bothered to repair it, the point is design as philips did, with this toothbrush was bound to waste environmental resources and create pollution.

the flaws with the toothbrush design were the following.

They used nicad batterys in the manufacturing at a point when nimh were standard &gt; FAIL
They sealed the batterys into the case with a glued case design, and also glued and soldered the batterys into said case, making it completely non user serviceable, thereby reducing its lifespan, thereby wasting resorces and creating pollution &gt; FAIL

The attitude that philips displayed in these choices is typical of large biligirent corporates nowadays, and it will not do, Apples lack of battery access is also equally poor design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theyre recomendation of putting the toothbrush on the charger everytime would in fact further reduce the charge time of a nicad battery as you correctly state. Nimh&#8217;s would not be so harmed by constant charging, and is an example of how people on helplines can feed misinformation, these people are not experts, theyre just your average joe paid a meagre salary for not much but following a script. Nicads need deep cycling to prevent them degrading, yet at the same time not many batterys benefit from being drained to an absolutely empty state. Also all batterys as they are chemical technology will degrade over time, as such access to the batterys is vital from an environmental perspective.</p>
<p>you were a lucky case, im guessing youre in the US ? the truth is this, one good example of customer service does not great customer service make, the majority of people here received bad service, and a bad product. And the issue is not just about whether you had your toothbrush replaced, which is of purely personal benefit to yourself. Where do you think your old toothbrush went ? Landfill, I doubt philips bothered to repair it, the point is design as philips did, with this toothbrush was bound to waste environmental resources and create pollution.</p>
<p>the flaws with the toothbrush design were the following.</p>
<p>They used nicad batterys in the manufacturing at a point when nimh were standard &gt; FAIL<br />
They sealed the batterys into the case with a glued case design, and also glued and soldered the batterys into said case, making it completely non user serviceable, thereby reducing its lifespan, thereby wasting resorces and creating pollution &gt; FAIL</p>
<p>The attitude that philips displayed in these choices is typical of large biligirent corporates nowadays, and it will not do, Apples lack of battery access is also equally poor design.</p>
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		<title>By: happy sonicare user</title>
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		<dc:creator>happy sonicare user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they suggest that you put the toothbrush on the charger every time you finish brushing. I don&#039;t know why they recommend that, from what I know, if you keep recharging, it will actually shortern most rechargeable batteries&#039; life.

anyway, this toothbrush may not last long, philips does provide excellent customer service. Here is what happened to me. 

My sonicare loses its power really quick. If I charge it for one day, use it once, and forget to put it back on the charger again. I can&#039;t use it again. 

So I decided to call philips customer service. they first instructed me how to reset the battery power, but it didn&#039;t work. So I called again, they decided to send me a new snoicare toothbrush. I just got it today! ;) brand new, the whole case just like the package you will get from the store. And they also send me a fedex prepaid label, so I can send back the old toothbrush for quality control. 

So if your snoicare stops working in less than two years, you should definitely contact philips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they suggest that you put the toothbrush on the charger every time you finish brushing. I don&#8217;t know why they recommend that, from what I know, if you keep recharging, it will actually shortern most rechargeable batteries&#8217; life.</p>
<p>anyway, this toothbrush may not last long, philips does provide excellent customer service. Here is what happened to me. </p>
<p>My sonicare loses its power really quick. If I charge it for one day, use it once, and forget to put it back on the charger again. I can&#8217;t use it again. </p>
<p>So I decided to call philips customer service. they first instructed me how to reset the battery power, but it didn&#8217;t work. So I called again, they decided to send me a new snoicare toothbrush. I just got it today! ;) brand new, the whole case just like the package you will get from the store. And they also send me a fedex prepaid label, so I can send back the old toothbrush for quality control. </p>
<p>So if your snoicare stops working in less than two years, you should definitely contact philips.</p>
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		<title>By: Valentine Szmalc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valentine Szmalc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I normally dont spend time to drop a comment, however it is difficult to find good information on this topic today. You did a fantastic job in this article and I may just go read your other blog posts now. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally dont spend time to drop a comment, however it is difficult to find good information on this topic today. You did a fantastic job in this article and I may just go read your other blog posts now. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Schlegel</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmap.com/archives/philips-sonicare-toothbrush-rubbish-product/comment-page-1/#comment-8710</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Schlegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Philips just died after only 1 year.....what a piece of trash!    I am going today to buy a new toothbrush....and it won&#039;t be a Philips!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Philips just died after only 1 year&#8230;..what a piece of trash!    I am going today to buy a new toothbrush&#8230;.and it won&#8217;t be a Philips!</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.  I actually cut my case open relatively easily with a Dremel and a thin, fine toothed saw wheel.  To get the battery pack out, I just sawed out that section of the case along with the adjoining epoxy and removed the batteries from the back side.  My intention is to fashion this piece as the battery door that Philips should have put there in the first place.  To get around the soldering issue, I&#039;m going to use a two-cell cordless phone battery like a GE TL26602, which sells for under $5 and already has leads and two AA cells spot welded together.  I might get the matching connector so it will be removable.  Until that&#039;s done, however, I have a ghetto setup with wires running to an external battery holder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.  I actually cut my case open relatively easily with a Dremel and a thin, fine toothed saw wheel.  To get the battery pack out, I just sawed out that section of the case along with the adjoining epoxy and removed the batteries from the back side.  My intention is to fashion this piece as the battery door that Philips should have put there in the first place.  To get around the soldering issue, I&#8217;m going to use a two-cell cordless phone battery like a GE TL26602, which sells for under $5 and already has leads and two AA cells spot welded together.  I might get the matching connector so it will be removable.  Until that&#8217;s done, however, I have a ghetto setup with wires running to an external battery holder.</p>
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		<title>By: NeuralMap &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seagate FreeAgent Drives Manager Software sleep trouble</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuralMap &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seagate FreeAgent Drives Manager Software sleep trouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This drive is not as bad as the sonicare toothbrush. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: john doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>john doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, glad I stumbled upon this blog or what have you... this is complete BS, just the way I though it was going to be with these Corps... I&#039;ve got my $135 &quot;toothbrush&quot; sitting in the charging cradle, after months of inactivity. It&#039;s like the thing is falling apart. The Magnets on the brush cap are of the cheap ferrite material that&#039;s starting to corrode away, from a little water and toothpaste? I clean mine daily after use is they still corroded (by design).

This is fraud! I&#039;ve never and never will spend $100+ on anything that doesn&#039;t last more than 5yrs. They make this junk, literally, to FAIL a bit wise after the warranty is over. They test these things and make them with materials that will specifically fail under lab conditions based on general surveys they give out to &quot;focus groups&quot; basically questioning directly or indirectly &quot;how long do you think a product like this would last?&quot; &quot;How much would you be willing to pay for said product if it were offered?&quot; etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, glad I stumbled upon this blog or what have you&#8230; this is complete BS, just the way I though it was going to be with these Corps&#8230; I&#8217;ve got my $135 &#8220;toothbrush&#8221; sitting in the charging cradle, after months of inactivity. It&#8217;s like the thing is falling apart. The Magnets on the brush cap are of the cheap ferrite material that&#8217;s starting to corrode away, from a little water and toothpaste? I clean mine daily after use is they still corroded (by design).</p>
<p>This is fraud! I&#8217;ve never and never will spend $100+ on anything that doesn&#8217;t last more than 5yrs. They make this junk, literally, to FAIL a bit wise after the warranty is over. They test these things and make them with materials that will specifically fail under lab conditions based on general surveys they give out to &#8220;focus groups&#8221; basically questioning directly or indirectly &#8220;how long do you think a product like this would last?&#8221; &#8220;How much would you be willing to pay for said product if it were offered?&#8221; etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stress_guy_53-30</title>
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		<dc:creator>stress_guy_53-30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a guy on eBay who fixed my classic 4700 handle in a week for $25 plus first-class mail.  I had three perfectly working brush-heads that would not fit the new handles, so I took a chance and I am glad I did.  Even the quadpacer works like new, and the outside doesn&#039;t look bad at all.

Look for &quot;Sonic Repair&quot;.  I even recycled my first-generation handle with him for spare parts, and he paid me back more than the first-class postage.  Great e-business person!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a guy on eBay who fixed my classic 4700 handle in a week for $25 plus first-class mail.  I had three perfectly working brush-heads that would not fit the new handles, so I took a chance and I am glad I did.  Even the quadpacer works like new, and the outside doesn&#8217;t look bad at all.</p>
<p>Look for &#8220;Sonic Repair&#8221;.  I even recycled my first-generation handle with him for spare parts, and he paid me back more than the first-class postage.  Great e-business person!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I would add a link to my site as I have just taken the Philips Flexcare apart only to find it was a loose screw causing the issue.  A shame as its a £100 toothbrush that I have just mended but had I not opened it I was going to be thrown.  The Pics on my site are under Macro Photography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I would add a link to my site as I have just taken the Philips Flexcare apart only to find it was a loose screw causing the issue.  A shame as its a £100 toothbrush that I have just mended but had I not opened it I was going to be thrown.  The Pics on my site are under Macro Photography.</p>
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		<title>By: ancient</title>
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		<dc:creator>ancient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>further note to point out the batterys arent soldered onto the contacts they are contact/pressure spot welded without solder, and the metals used for the contact and the battery do not solder easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>further note to point out the batterys arent soldered onto the contacts they are contact/pressure spot welded without solder, and the metals used for the contact and the battery do not solder easily.</p>
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