Blizzard warcraft Forum Censorship, region transfer.

Blizzard has engineered the forums to ignore feedback and create an aura of fear, in an attempt to censor descent or argument with blizzard views within the threads.

The forums are run by blizzard :

all companies/product forums should be operated by companies independant of the brand they have been setup for, where the power of the company/brand their related to, has equal or less weight/power to that of the users, if the forum is owned and operated by the brand, then it just gives itself all the power it needs to fully censor the forums to the point of uselessness to the users. Forums are for the users benefit and not the company, its where the user gets to have there say and not the other way round.

lack of forum anonymity :
Because your forum posts are now totally associated with your warcraft account, you can likely have your char banned for posting anything blizzard doesn’t like the taste of on their forums, which means that any real argument, from the users point of view is moderated to the point of bland sacharin uselessness.

No active subsciption means, no way of commenting or posting on forums in most active areas.

Blizzards forum law means you must have an active subscription, to post on the forum : ie if you have a battlenet account and have suspended your wow subscription, you cant post anything to most of the forums threads, regardless whether your reason for inactive subscription, is due to an issue you are trying raise and get resolution for on the forums. And lets face it whether I Have an active subscription or not, I purchased and have a licence for the game product you sold me and should be able to comment on that game. The image snapshotted from the forums implys my game licence has expired which must be bullshit ? my active subsciption has expired but not my original licence for the game, unless you somehoew magically invalidated my serial ? I flippin paid for ? which would be against trade descriptions surely ?

The above forum reasons is why I have to put this discussion here because I can’t comment on the thread on the actual blizzard forums, this post was created by raedel and refers to the usual ignored region transfer request as to why region transfers have not been made possible. blizzards reply are in italics raedels original post in bold italics and my responses to blizzards weaksauce replys in

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Whenever they want to play on their acct. at my place we just go into the realmlist.wtf and change it up a bit. So i don’t see it as a client-side issue. If it is, what exactly is the issue clientside? .

The issue client side comes to what Locale you have installed & what happens on patch day.

Your realmlist.wtf change only works as your going from English on the US realms to English on the EU Realms. As you can imagine it may cause a problem if you were switching between say French and US English.

There is a folder in your Data folder that’s name is 4 characters long that denotes what locale you have installed. This contains region specific data in it. The data in them has subtle differences between the locales.

    This could be resolved by allowing people to do this region transfer, only once per account per year. The process would go something like this, first you would choose a server in the the new region. Once the new server was decided, the subscription would be made inactive, for however long the process would take, then you Blizzard would automatically exchange/convert/swap say the US the game licence number into a different region one ie EU etc, and deactivate the old licence number, and then the characters would be re-associated with this new game licence, and the chars moved to the pre-chosen server, then the subscription would be reactivated, and a mandatory redownload of the game or game patch to convert the client or wtf mod perfomed by the game client to correct for the region would ensue, all for say a fee of £25.00 say, this would be fair ? if worse comes to worse id behappy to buy a new copy of the game in my region of choice if this made the transfer easier for blizzard ? The likely uptake and unforseen abuse of this would not cause mayhem as it would be one off per account per year, and most people would not desire to operate out of the wrong region as their are disadvantages all the way for raiding/pvp etc. And the greatest uptake of this region transfer servcie would come from very old subscribers who got trapped in the wrong region due to developing their char on US trials, before the EU trials existed, and those who have moved physically between the different regions after creating characters.

The issue on patch day is in one Locale the patch may be out but the other region it isn’t. For more on that please see http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2488999008

    make the region transfer service only available only when the versions between regions are in parity between update cycles … simple ?

05/31/2011 02:52 AMPosted by Raedel
Internet these days is ridiculously fast so i don’t see how the physical locations of the servers play a role in a data transfer between servers as a paid service. It would probably be more expensive. Im not sure exactly how large an amount of data this would surmount to, and if possible i would love an estimate from customer service. It can’t be that much since most of the data is in code and the server-client connections use the code to call up renders from the data already on the server-side computer.

Well for one thing the Customer Service staff are not the server technicians. So I don’t think the technical difficulties that may arise.

It’s possible a security issue. With one Facility in Long Beach / Irvine CA and one in based in France it could just be an issue of not being able to physically pull your character data out of one server and put it in another. I understand that if you can get the data out you can copy it securely over the internet it’s just I don’t think their systems are designed to do it.

    thats right their not designed to do it, what we ARE ASKING YOU as the provider of the game to do : is to “DESIGN AND PROGRAM THAT FACILITY ?”

05/31/2011 02:52 AMPosted by Raedel
By process of elimination this leaves the server-side difficulties as the main issue. Is the problem then on the serverside client’s coding being incompatable between regions?

You missed something out here.

Blizzard Entertainment Europe is run from France with servers in France. The US side is run from California.

As I said above it could just be an issue that the systems were never designed to have data pulled out of them and data shoved into them in the way your proposing.

    and ? why is that a concern of the customer ? If I can email between two said locations, you can if your hearts desired find a way of transferring characters between regions ?? its a network ? you heard of that idea presumeably ? it means you can transfer things between two locations ? if you can backup my character ? you can backup it up to the backup drive of a different region and then install it into the new server from there ?

You have good suggestions the only problem here is the CSF staff are not the developers or programmers. You need to put this sort of thing in an area the Community Managers and/or developers would see. That would be the General forums AFAIK.

    now we get the truth basically were to talking to a customer facing wall of people that are unable to communicate with the coders of the game and make any useful changes at the request of the users ? in others words asking you to do anything on this forum is basically pointless ? give me the email address of the server software coding team, if you dont have meetings with them ?

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blizzard the worst company ?

Blizzard is the most arrogant company in the world . theyre is not one part of wow games mechanic and your chars makeup mechanics they will not f**k with on a daily basis, its one thing to expand a game, its another thing to endlessly mess with every aspect of it, your char is there property ? the TOS is abominable when read and fully understood. the customer support is beligerent and ignorant and revolves around ignoring customers and deleting/locking posts that reflect even in the slightest way negatively on them, the make more money than sin, but refuse to develop a region transfer facility, citing bullshit corporo drone spiel as the reason why its impossible, most of the game changes seem to revolve around making more money than making a better game, they also shit on addon developers constantly. 75% of the patches revolved around nerfing something you liked about the game, conditional macros , ranged based action bar addons, subtracting 20 talent points from your characters design, forcing you to re-level to 85 to have access to two talent trees ?! the list goes on and on, when you buy wow and invest time in a character your playing an addictive game of virtual esteem poker in which the dealer is changing the rules as soon as you get a wiff of winning, dont bother its a suckers game, if you think that im just QQ-ing then question it again when youve stopped playing for 2 years, and the scales will fall of your eyes, and you will realise that the people who love to play no matter what blizzard do, are just the non QQing “man” addicts who get stiff enough for the next top level content boss, who will continue to masochistically suck the dealers c**k no matter the abuse.

blizztard wowdetox post

played for 2-3 years well over 150 days continuous playtime, started the game on a US trial before EU trials were avail, got trapped US side playing from EU : worst raiding scenario, raiding ZG 40 mans would start 12-01:00am for me, Blizzards policy of no region transfers is also a joke, was ruining my life as was locked into us raiding schedules, occupied way to much life, quit subscription before WOTLK came out, character remains at 70, warcraft is a treadmill, if you want to be top level raiding. and raiding becomes worse than work, guild social and politics was appalling, liked about 4 people of about 40, cleared lots of high level stuff, If you have an addictive personality : DO NOT START THIS GAME, it will drink your life away like nobodys business. every expansion those purples and oranges you wasted time getting will become worse than greens, blizzard have created a treadmill for you with warcraft and every step you take on it your going nowhere if not backwards in your life and making money for them in the process, worse thing is the game lore is now a joke its so distended and repetetive “are you ready for the new challenge blah” “can you save azeroth from the XXXXX” pfff, and the fact they own your characters is a joke, why invest 150 days of your life creating something that isnt even your own property ? other more time controllable less grindy better and more open games will come along some day, with a fairer game maker user relationship.

wow … was never the same imo after they nerfed conditionals in the macro language …… many many moons ago. because that was all about blizzard making the grind even more grindy, extending the time required to achieve the same bad gameplay stuff in game, making you waste even more time playing the game. lets face it without addons, wow isn’t really wow, but blizzard don’t care about addon developers anymore than the users. users are merely profit margins in a spreadsheet. The individual user is a disposable item within the 12.5 million users or whatever its upto now, imagine someone in the real world had the ability to make dissappear 150 solid days worth of your effort with a whimfull decision, dont leave yourself exposed to that situation, dont invest any time in this game in the first place. Blizzard is an arrogant company FULL STOP. dont give them any money.

for new users > if you dont start something … you want have any difficulty stopping

only play games that have endpoints with 6 hours of continuous play , unlike this game which doesnt end, that might sound great but trust me a final cap to the azeroth story (all stories need an ending to be complete) would be a good idea, but theres probably too much money to be made to ever bring it to an end.

warcraft region transfer the neverending story:

warcraft region transfer the neverending saga:

This is my 3rd retort to the blizzard corporate bull-spiel i was emailed as to why region transfer 8 years after the making of the game is still an impossibility ?

Your response was the usual rubbish, I’m not sure why blizzard employ people who have no possibility of garnering the respect of game users, on the basis that as employees they can change absolutely nothing at all ? its just a waste of money to employ such people. it would be better to employ no-one in this capacity, and just say the game is how it is, lump or like it, it would be much more honest … rather than suggesting they have the option of developing another char, in another region version of the game ? oh yes ill just spend another 130 days of my life investing in another online character, so you can tell me its your property !!! christ i can if i want stick my cock in a blender also. I don’t need Continue reading

warcraft region transfer and blizzard corp

Yes it is damn well needed, blizzard as per usual ignoring their customers generating more samey, mess around with existing environments content > catacysm, rather than add a feature weve been seeking for years > “region transfer” havent played for three years as my level 70 is trapped : US side and no region transfer to eu yet available, do blizzard care ? > not a jot . theyve had six years to make such a feature and havent bothered, the classic scenario theyre working on is if you ignore descent it eventually fades through lack of fosterance from its own will. most of those who are trapped region wise have just stopped playing hence how blizzard can ignore those users. after all theres an endless generated global population of teenagers to fill the ranks of the descenters views. from a money corporacy perspective they are in the fortunate position still perhaps only just to be able to ignore their customers and still grow richer.

Their apparently seperate financial entitys (as if the customer cares what their relationship is ?) that dont talk to each other lord knows why, and they say its so difficult to do. In my reckoning if I can email an attatchment to the states, why the hell they cant send my character file between us and eu regions ive no idea, digital data is the most portable thing on earth, its in its genes to be moved from one place to another, the idea they cant manage this is ridiculous, I whole heartedly support this forum post. I ended up with a US char because the initial trial was only available in the US originally.

And I will not start a char again as mine has allot more than 100 days actual playtime invested, which blizzard thinks nothing of. Because they dont truly understand the concept of character investment, though they think they do. If I invested that time in doing something in real life or earning money lord knows what value of that time might be, but blizzard think such playtime is their input and property hence the agreement which basically says your chracter is their property. I will never knowingly ever play any MMO ever again because of these badly weighted licence agreements until there is an open platform file format and standard for online mmo characters, so that time invested in such games is not wimfully wasted by a corporate whos love of itself and self glorification seems to know no bounds, anybody fancing paying $500 dollars to dine with microsoft employees before going to a computer fair ? lol : aparrently blizzard thinks everything they do smells so sweet, pity they only asked their own opinion, and if they can stonewall, silence, outmarket and censor all descent, then such descent doesnt actually exist ?

The idea blizzard listens to its customers is farcical. I’m also tempted to pay $500 to go to their suck ups dinner, so they can meet a real customer with real views, and why theyre geting it so wrong. Oh but i forgot you cant just pay $500 you have to be so lucky as to be drawn in a lottery for the privilege of being able to pay $500, my bad, and perhaps youd like to pay for all the overmerchandised franchised rubbish they market at you while your at it, apart from the game itself every day of the flippin week we have pushed in our faces, comics, miniatures, fanzines, card games jeesh do they have no humility ? theyre marketing machine is and endless behemoth its like some nasty microsoft acolyte rubbish, everytime they make an announcement its like the “dance monkeyboy dance” video , with same braying game drugees, whooping theyre way more deeply into virtual acheivement lives, with every word the blizz corporate crew spew. Also raiding times are completely incompatible when your on the wrong region which makes high end play impossible, and lag times in tournaments also a problem.

Oh and you cant post on warcraft forums unless you have an active subscription ? ie anyone they kick out or isnt paying money regardless of whether they have previously for years is not entitled to criticise or have an opinion they are effectively instantly censored ! wow blizz are so not interested in customer feedback, blizzard are a horrible corporate.

more wow drivel

Agreed look down the first class name on that list and regardless of what blizzard says, Rogues are Top DPS in this game on those fights statistically, im in SSC mags doomwalker kazaak. In a way does it matter is the question ? In one way im happy hey as long as the raid downs stuff its cool, getting gear is what counts. Continue reading

warlock dps

i’m ultimately aiming for a crit build of around 33%, and probably to drop dots almost all together. if you look at the ruin talent for warlock it means a shadowbolt talent that did 2k damage can do 4k damage critical 2k extra damage and with a high crit build at 33% you can equvalently say you will have increased you average shadow bolt by 666dmg through crit(ie 33% of the time you get double damage so extra 2k from ruin divided by 33% of time equals 666 extra damage on average percast time of 2.5 secs , then 666 extra damage/ 2.5 cast time = 266.4 extra dps. This doesnt seem to big but when you add talents and items that also activate of critical stikes this can escalate further.

Battlegrounds poor balance mechanics

Something im very tired with in game, and has been around for a long time, badly balanced Battleground teams ?, the game mechanics seem perfectly happy to place a 10 man organised no doubt team speaking horde guild up against a 7 man pugged alliance team, this obviously is slaughter, and enables some horde battlegrounds teams to rake in endless honour and tokens like theyve rigged the system. The unfair fights syndrome as I call it. The following things should be added to battlegrounds :

1. The graveyard/reserection point should have a force field around it that prevents a team from GY camping ie prevents rogues getting in to close to where people are ressurecting.

2. IF a 10 man team all from the same server go in together against say a 7 man pug team, it should first equate the players eq and build and rate them a certain number points for each player on a team, discounting points to people who are pugging it, then it should add up the difference in value between the two sides, if one team appears massively stronger than the other it should shrink the team which is stronger in man numbers to be equal in potency points value to the other team until their is equalibrium.

3. The racial abilities of alliance chars need improving to balance them against the racial abilities of the horde teams, for instance the gnomish racial ability “escape artist” proves useless in the battleground in comparison to ‘force of will’ that undead have, “escape artist” should at least work against stunlock.

4. Rogue stunlock capability is way too potent in Battlegrounds and must be nerfed! because it is an I win button, if theyve nerfed warlock fear, Curse of tongues etc, then the least they can do is nerf stun, cripple etc likewise, speed stun Melee is too potent in comparison to genral casting in BG’s, it means that if you want to play pvp and win the only class to roll is a rogue. Blizz need to stop booning the horde racial abilities and claiming that they have got everything balanced, when they quite obviously haven’t. If theyre ot going to going to nerf stun then at least make such that if a char resists fear then it doesnt blow the cooldown or diminish the potency of the next cast of it.

5. if you leave a battleground because your in a 7 man pug against a 10 man guild team you should not be penalized with the deserter buff.

6. Battleground statistical analysis should be in place to check whether certain teams or classes are just abusing the BG system for their own benefit, and are entering into the runaway zone(ie their so good its just like free honour and tokens for whenever they enter their chosen BG as a team), where they deny and demoralise other players any chance to progress, thereby eliminating the competition from bothering thereby making themselves endlessly stronger, these teams should get a limit on how many times they can play in a day together to avoid the suffocating the battleground play. ie after 3000 honour and 20 tokens or six victorys each day they can only play once every hour or something. statistical analysis should also check to see how many people are leaving a battleground, becasue this is usually a heavy indicator of an unfair fight. Also if there are long queu times for battleground’s becaseu mainly one faction doesnt want to play, this is a sign the play balance is all wrong.

7. A variable buff to be applied to the underdog side, called ‘power of the underdog’ which attempts to the weaker side to have a better chance if the opposing team has well geared rogues then the buff might give say stun resistance increase etc

8. For Blizz to remember the purpose of people playing battlegrounds in not to be HK fodder, for some overpowered horde team who’ve practically got the bg rigged for them to get free honour and tokens. and like nothing more than the fact that nearly all alliance sides are pugs and all horde sides are pre-mades with only specific classes involved for their pvp benefits, and what theyre aiming for is an unfair fight in other words the reason they play so intently is because they no they can push BG’s into an scenario whereby they know theyre going to get 75% more honour and win 90% of the time then it a makes it much more worthwhile for them to play insanle to egt the rewards and invest all their time in that to rig the game. They should be penalised for not playing game content and just pvp-ing, that is why they play so much if they new that it would require more skill every time they wanted to win than last time it would give them more of a challenge.

9. Im not sure teams from pvp servers should play aginst pugs from non pvp servers when it comes to which realms are in which Battlegroups.

10. All builds should get a fair chance at pvp, whatever of the three specialisations you choose, ie with warlocks I have to spec talent wise for pvp ie (affliction build is the only way to go) becasue instant howl of terror and Curse of echaustion, which means when I wanna switch between raid and BG play i need to spend 100 gold to do so which means theyre forcing me to play raid for a week or pvp for a week at minimum to make the switch worthwhile, which is crap in comparison to classes where the raid build is the pvp build.

11 no durability loss should occur in Bg’s or arena’s

12. A single self Buff for each class should be selectable as auto applied on ressurection similar to the way pets are auto ressed on ressurection.

13. Beef up curse of exhaustion for gods sake ? if I can be taken out of play by rogues until im dead !!!! without a chance to respond, the least you can do is provide a warlock with some talents that negate or improve on the current ridiculous situation. Ie give me some spells that stop or slow opponents that actually come off and work, at least give us spell lock ! or something and stop nerfing the duration of all my spells just for pvp ! and stop every spell we have being bloody dispellable, unless you want to be melee dispellable as well !! Or at least make it so that though since were weak against melee combat make it so that are spells do commensurately more damage than melee classes to compensate for choosing to be casters, after all if im as weak damage output wise as a warrior why the Hell am I wearing cloth ! Casters should be able to outdamage all other classes by quite a way as compensation for the the knives go through us like butter close up and we have hardly any instant damage, and it all takes time, least warlocks have hardly any instant damage which limits us in pvp. certainly none in comparsion to mages who can also add bonus spell damage to instant cast’s too ?

14. If your gonna make the only decent damage spell we have Soul fire take so long to cast and cost a bloody soul shard then the least you can do is let use them for free in pvp.

I think we should have a No BG day, where no alliance sides play in protest to indicate to Blizz how crap the game balance is in this area.