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	<title>Comments on: The Death of Boy Scouting … Sorry Scouts !!!!!</title>
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		<title>By: ancient</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it is the reality&quot; you state as though reality is a foregone conclusion, reallity is not a given, we decide exactly what reality is ourselves, for instance i shall decide to send any children I have on outdoor studies courses, and NOT to send them to scouts or cubs because the movement has distorted itself endlessly to the fasionable whims of tossy modern culture, and you approve of it, as such i shall deliberately disown it, thats a reality being created by choices in the now, down with the potency of concept of your movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it is the reality&#8221; you state as though reality is a foregone conclusion, reallity is not a given, we decide exactly what reality is ourselves, for instance i shall decide to send any children I have on outdoor studies courses, and NOT to send them to scouts or cubs because the movement has distorted itself endlessly to the fasionable whims of tossy modern culture, and you approve of it, as such i shall deliberately disown it, thats a reality being created by choices in the now, down with the potency of concept of your movement.</p>
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		<title>By: ancient</title>
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		<dc:creator>ancient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 23:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well a world in which the sexes cant do things seperately irritates me, forced by some kind of perverse reverse sex discrimination law, you may well as a scout leader, be happy with the concept, but i doubt its a matter of choice in your case, and more of matter you are told by the organisation you must have girls in your troop therefore not making it a choice you have chosen ?, if this must be the case, then Id like some boys who are that way inclined to forcibly join guides, to even out the male discriminatory law, or hell have the movements merged or something. 

On the one hand your also saying its fine to have girls in scouting, yet at the same time reference the parents who send boys to single sex schools, and that scouting in your case seems to serve as a way for such boys to get socialisation with the opposite sex, in my case my parents could not afford to send me to a &quot;private school&quot; so perverse it was single sex ? and if single sex is suitable for schools in your imagination then why not also scouting ? I would state it is not the scouting movements major responsibility to provide closeted private school kids sent to a single sex school by nutty parents, with socialisation skills with girls, its being tackled the wrong way round ! ie if parents want their children to get some socialisation skills with the opposite sex, dont send you children to damn single sex schools ? after all scouting is perhaps 3 hours in the evening once a week, and is much less of an opportunity to get such socialisation skills than sending them to a mixed sex school in the first place ?!

for reference in this scenario I went to 12 schools 11 of them mixed sex, went through from cubs at the earliest possible joining age, through scouting but not venture scouts, or what the hell its all been rebranded to now, and was also an assistant cub leader myself for several years. And at no point would i have considered it part of scoutings responsibility to give boys social skills with girls, for me it was a welcome escape from all that.

you are welcome to your view, but I dont think your view is a personal choice you have made through deliberate thought and consideration, merely a viewpoint you have had forced upon you by being part of the organisation, and therefore ego wise have decided to approve of this decision, since you have no choice rather than take the tougher more ostricised and principled road of fighting it.

The compromise as you put it, may well have been guides, but in reality that is the organisation that was created to cater for them in exchange for them not being in scouting ? And until boys whether they take it up or not, have the same rights to join guides or brownies as well etc, its unfair discrimination stating that boys cant join guides, but girls can scouts, then there is an injustice occuring towards, a once boys only organisation for starters, which sticks in the throat, because the girls organisation has not been muddied in this way, ie if your going to denigrate scouting, with overly pc feminist akela ideals, then the least you can do in a just sense, is to denigrate the guides/brownies movement in a similar way.

If you were to analyse what proportion of boys joining cubs or scouts went to boys only single sex schools, I think you would find they would be in the extreme minority ? I for one will not be sending my children into either movement, regardless of how much in my day I thought they were a worthy or valuable experience, mainly because you wish to mess with the movements ethos, for your own Pc self perceptions, as there is never really any point maintaining any organisation that prostitutes its own values or eccentricitys, as such I hope in some ways scouting and guides dribble away to nought, that may also be the reality at some point in the future, brought on by the organisations, pointless decision making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well a world in which the sexes cant do things seperately irritates me, forced by some kind of perverse reverse sex discrimination law, you may well as a scout leader, be happy with the concept, but i doubt its a matter of choice in your case, and more of matter you are told by the organisation you must have girls in your troop therefore not making it a choice you have chosen ?, if this must be the case, then Id like some boys who are that way inclined to forcibly join guides, to even out the male discriminatory law, or hell have the movements merged or something. </p>
<p>On the one hand your also saying its fine to have girls in scouting, yet at the same time reference the parents who send boys to single sex schools, and that scouting in your case seems to serve as a way for such boys to get socialisation with the opposite sex, in my case my parents could not afford to send me to a &#8220;private school&#8221; so perverse it was single sex ? and if single sex is suitable for schools in your imagination then why not also scouting ? I would state it is not the scouting movements major responsibility to provide closeted private school kids sent to a single sex school by nutty parents, with socialisation skills with girls, its being tackled the wrong way round ! ie if parents want their children to get some socialisation skills with the opposite sex, dont send you children to damn single sex schools ? after all scouting is perhaps 3 hours in the evening once a week, and is much less of an opportunity to get such socialisation skills than sending them to a mixed sex school in the first place ?!</p>
<p>for reference in this scenario I went to 12 schools 11 of them mixed sex, went through from cubs at the earliest possible joining age, through scouting but not venture scouts, or what the hell its all been rebranded to now, and was also an assistant cub leader myself for several years. And at no point would i have considered it part of scoutings responsibility to give boys social skills with girls, for me it was a welcome escape from all that.</p>
<p>you are welcome to your view, but I dont think your view is a personal choice you have made through deliberate thought and consideration, merely a viewpoint you have had forced upon you by being part of the organisation, and therefore ego wise have decided to approve of this decision, since you have no choice rather than take the tougher more ostricised and principled road of fighting it.</p>
<p>The compromise as you put it, may well have been guides, but in reality that is the organisation that was created to cater for them in exchange for them not being in scouting ? And until boys whether they take it up or not, have the same rights to join guides or brownies as well etc, its unfair discrimination stating that boys cant join guides, but girls can scouts, then there is an injustice occuring towards, a once boys only organisation for starters, which sticks in the throat, because the girls organisation has not been muddied in this way, ie if your going to denigrate scouting, with overly pc feminist akela ideals, then the least you can do in a just sense, is to denigrate the guides/brownies movement in a similar way.</p>
<p>If you were to analyse what proportion of boys joining cubs or scouts went to boys only single sex schools, I think you would find they would be in the extreme minority ? I for one will not be sending my children into either movement, regardless of how much in my day I thought they were a worthy or valuable experience, mainly because you wish to mess with the movements ethos, for your own Pc self perceptions, as there is never really any point maintaining any organisation that prostitutes its own values or eccentricitys, as such I hope in some ways scouting and guides dribble away to nought, that may also be the reality at some point in the future, brought on by the organisations, pointless decision making.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Futers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Futers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 09:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Scout leader who has always had girls in my Troop. Aside from a few alterations to planning there is not a problem. In the reverse of the situation that is presented here, many of may Scouts go to single sex schools and it is therefore an opportunity for them to mix socially. 
Scouting is a Movement, as BP himself was keen to point out. He was very keen that he was NOT establishing a tradition, he was establishing a living, changing organism. His ideal when first confronted by the patrol of girl Scouts was to integrate them but Edwardian society was not ready for such a concept and the compromise was the Guides.
We live in a different time and we have Moved On. I appreciate that this is not everyone&#039;s idea of Scouting, but it is the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Scout leader who has always had girls in my Troop. Aside from a few alterations to planning there is not a problem. In the reverse of the situation that is presented here, many of may Scouts go to single sex schools and it is therefore an opportunity for them to mix socially.<br />
Scouting is a Movement, as BP himself was keen to point out. He was very keen that he was NOT establishing a tradition, he was establishing a living, changing organism. His ideal when first confronted by the patrol of girl Scouts was to integrate them but Edwardian society was not ready for such a concept and the compromise was the Guides.<br />
We live in a different time and we have Moved On. I appreciate that this is not everyone&#8217;s idea of Scouting, but it is the reality.</p>
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